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Surviving Summer Culture Shock

Our local legal newspaper focused on summer associate programs in big firms in California this week, reporting a slight decline in the numbers. Even with a decline, there are hundreds of you “summers” out there.
The insert provided lots of advice for success and quotes from recruiting staff. I thought one thing was missing though. How to suddenly jump from a law student lifestyle of nightly re-hydrated Asian noodle soup and living on the edge of poverty, to a sudden assumption that you are now entitled to dine in the finest restaurants, drink the best wines, and have daily sustenance brought to you from the most exclusive caterers in the neighborhood.
Every year around this time, I flash back to my experience in May of 2001. As a “mature” law student I had experienced the finer things in my other professional incarnations before law school. However, the law school years were fairly meager in this regard, while we balanced tuition bills with the dramatic absence of a regular paycheck. By the end of law school, I was living part-time in my brother’s decrepit, long-retired RV temporarily parked on a rough farm next to the Davis dump. A flock of geese lived under my RV and a herd of cows often surrounded it. There were issues of ants, bees, heat, cold, wind, clean water, leakage and odors.
Somehow, against all odds, law school finally came to a fitting conclusion. The final Sunday after graduation I threw clothes, books, and laptop into my car to move into a fairly posh temporary room in Los Altos to begin my “summer” experience at a big firm in Palo Alto the next day.
Coincidentally, the firm won a huge case that Monday, and so our summer welcome lunch became an office-wide celebration at an extremely lovely restaurant on their outdoor patio surrounded by glorious blooms and lush foliage. The firm ordered everything on the menu, the finest champagnes, and lovely wines. I felt my head spinning a bit while trying to take all this in and push out the previous day’s memory of the PB sandwich eaten on the run while fighting off geese and helping my brother jump start the RV for its return voyage.
The combination of exquisite food, the aromatic blossoms, beautiful dishes, stimulating conversation, and interesting people made my thoughts wander and while staring into space for a moment, I realized my vision had rested upon the critical point of an extremely well-endowed Greek male, very much larger than life, statue. At this point, the contrast between my two parallel lives hit an all time high and the only recourse was an eye-watering case of the giggles.
Luckily, the attorneys at my firm were pretty normal folks and they had been there also. My stories of the geese and my RV brought out other great stories of survival and by the end of that first Monday, I was convinced I had chosen the right firm.
I always wonder what is going through the minds of some law students in their first summer associate big firm position if they have come from a life without wealth or privilege. My best advice is allow yourself some time to adjust. Don’t be afraid to let people know what you are experiencing. You are not alone.
It will take time to decide what values and lifestyle you want to embrace as an attorney. But for now, it’s OK, to do some research, experience what’s out there, and don’t be afraid to laugh at life and all it can offer.

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Summer Interviewing in Law Firms

Ah, summer time: a season that evokes images of picnics, family vacations to the beach, and lounging by the pool. Although some associate summer with a decrease in work, our experience is that the summer can be the most jam-packed period for associates. In addition to the normal workload, summer associates are everywhere, begging for attention and lunch companions. And, if you are in the midst of the interview process during the summer months, you may find summer the most difficult season to get through the process.

What do I Wear?

On the surface, this is a fairly silly question. Certainly, there are more important issues one encounters during the recruiting process than what color shoes go with a navy suit. However, appearance at an interview should not be overly marginalized. The truth is that lawyers are in the customer service business, and being professional in your appearance and demeanor is one facet of your overall performance as a lawyer. So, while you are being evaluated on the basis of your substantive knowledge, record, and interest, you are also leaving an impression on your audience by the way you dress.

It is for that reason that we absolutely recommend that attorneys interviewing wear suits, even when the firm with whom the attorney is interviewing is business casual. This is just as true during the summer months, when some firms allow considerably more casual attire than they would throughout the remainder of the year. Yes, we know, it is sometimes uncomfortable to be the only person in the room wearing a suit. However, the fact is that you do not know your audience. The partner with whom you are interviewing could be one of those lawyers who simply does not believe in business casual under any circumstances. Although his firm’s policy may not jive with his way of thinking, he or she may have a negative image of you based only on your appearance. While we don’t agree that “clothes make the lawyer,” why jeopardize an opportunity at a firm because you didn’t look the part? In short, no one will raise an eyebrow at a lawyer wearing a suit to an interview. Some may at a lawyer who does not. Why take the chance?

There’s an Exception. We’re Lawyers. There are always exceptions.

On occasions, lawyers are concerned that wearing a suit on their interview day, especially in the middle of a firm’s casual summer, will set off alarms indicating to those lawyers’ current firm that the lawyers are interviewing around. Although this is in no way a general rule, there are times when the interviewing firm will allow or encourage a lawyer to come in business casual attire. If this is the case, each lawyer should still be careful in deciding whether to go in anything more casual than a suit.

First, business casual attire may mean many things to different people. While golf shirts and open-toed shoes may be commonplace in a variety of firms, we do not believe that this is interview appropriate attire. Certainly, you may still see attorneys in the halls dressed way down, but only your most professional business casual attire will do, and only then with express permission from the firm. Appearing too casual may have the effect of causing your interviewer to believe that you are casual with respect to your attitude about them.

But it’s Hot Outside!

Yes, and this can lead to some funny, but disastrous results. We know of one man who, while waiting for his interview to begin, was reading the Wall Street Journal in the lobby. Simultaneously, he was wiping off beads of sweat from his face. Upon beginning the interview, the interviewer said, “you seem to be the type of guy who reads the paper every morning,” and then advised him to run to the bathroom. While wiping his face, the man had gotten newsprint from his hands all over his face. The interview never went anywhere after that.

To our knowledge, science has not yet invented anything that will prevent nervous sweat during an interview. However, if you are likely to manifest your stress by excessive perspiration, be prepared. Bring a handkerchief, leave yourself plenty of time to get to the interview so you won’t have to rush, bring a cold bottle of water. Your linen suit may be the favorite thing in your closet, but are you going to look like a rumpled mess after the first 10 minutes?

Margaritas are Not Your Friend

At least not the night before an interview. Even if you are only going in for a quick screening interview, and load up with coffee, you should still never appear tired or worn down for your visit to a potential new firm. Aside from the obvious issues an interviewer would have with a candidate who still smells like tequila, being tired or talking about a big night out the night before leaves the impression of someone who really doesn’t care whether they get the job for which they are interviewing. And, as stellar as you may look hung-over, and despite a good shower, we still know lawyers who have walked into interviews with the remainder of a bar’s hand stamp that couldn’t be washed off, who had to excuse themselves to get sick in the bathroom, and who arrived late after sleeping too late. None of these lawyers got the job.

You’re Getting the Point, Right?

It’s summer! Time to have fun and kick back - summer seems to bring out the silly and laid-back part in all of us. Casual is fine for everyday life, but not while interviewing at a firm. Even though the lawyer on the other side of the desk may be leaning back in his chair after a two hour lunch with a summer associate, his feet propped up on the desk, you must make sure that you remain as professional and engaged as you would in a stark conference room full of suits.

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What NOT to wear during your summer associate program

This week, Jenny Burg Davis and Brenda Sapino Jeffries of the Texas Lawyer had this interesting piece on dressing to impress during your summer associate programs. Four large firm partners (from Weil Gotshal, DLA Piper, Fulbright & Jaworski, and Godwin Pappas) weigh in with their thoughts.

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